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New Player Lobby (NPL) - Overhaul Part 2

 +chris@voobly


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Edited 17 March 2017 - 12:14 pm by +chris@voobly
Our New Player Lobby needs an overhaul once again. While we want to provide a safe environment for new players to Voobly, with the greater numbers of players joining the NPL from Medieval Siege and Custom Scenario, we are at great risk of giving genuine New Players a negative experience.

Issues:
  • New players or lesser skilled players stay in NPL even when skilled enough and do not migrate to the full lobbies ( MS or CS )
  • Players leave lobbies to go to NPL for fast games with no pressure. Not necessarily for noob bashing, just NPL is the place for fast games, and this in itself will inherently lead to bashing.
  • Beginners ladder has more chance of abuse due to migration from lobbies to NPL.
  • Genuine Beginners are facing players with hundreds of games played and are then potentially put off playing.
  • Lack of players sub-1550 range in Medieval Siege, all are now in NPL, ensures the viscous circle, so experienced players go where the games are.
  • 1600 rate in MS is still extremely under rated for ELO, most of these are 17+ in reality.
  • The lack of genuinely lower than 1600 rated players creates the above as our majority players have no "food" to gain above 17+.
  • Players from NPL are zero games players in MS and are kicked by other players most of the time.


Solutions:
  • Add RM-Beginners and rate the Beginners ladder in Medieval Siege as well, so these players are not zero games players in MS anymore.
  • RM Intermediate will remain the default starting ladder for Medieval Siege.
  • Pro actively Staff NPL and move required players into Medieval Siege.
  • Enforce and increase pro actively the Beginners Ladder bans - Information.
  • Denying access to the New Player Lobby to players of Medieval Siege.
  • If we get Intermediate Ladder or RM TG etc 1200-1550 active games in Medieval Siege then players won't need to use NPL
  • Beginners and Inter Ladder in MS will still allow friends to play with each other.
  • NPL Ladders : RM - Beginners | CS - Random Ladder Beginners | CS - Other

The criteria for banning are as following:
  • reached the ladder cap of 1400
  • multiple 13xx accounts in NPL to avoid reaching 1400 rating in NPL
  • resigning won games to keep your rating low (for us it's PT)
  • PT in general (ironically with the goal to keep the rating low, which often results, that we then ban the 1400 account as well)
  • active player on a MS ladder
  • active player on an old MS ladder (2007 - 2012 ladders)
  • ban evasion by sharing accounts with other players on Voobly (results into a ban for both players)

tl;dr:
  • You cannot enter NPL anymore, if you are a MS Player.
  • RM Beginners ladder is now shown in MS lobby and can also be played there.
  • RM Inter ladder is still the default ladder in MS.
  • We will continue banning players from the RM Beginners ladder according to our existing rules.
  • NPL won't be merged with MS.
  • NPL won't be deleted.
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 ['RB']Dan


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Posted 2 December 2016 - 2:01 pm
NPL is successfull
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 [LyF]JimmY


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Posted 2 December 2016 - 2:11 pm
I don't think anyone cares anymore tbh.
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 +Anik3t


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Edited 2 December 2016 - 2:16 pm by +Anik3t
+chris@voobly wrote:
  • Denying access to the New Player Lobby to players of Medieval Siege.
This is a good option and i preer it to be implemented widespread.
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 [sT]Troy


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Posted 2 December 2016 - 2:25 pm
I said this before but, keep up the good work chris! ;thumbup
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 [WUC]PradeeP


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Posted 2 December 2016 - 3:35 pm
good.
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 [PTBNS]heinzhubert


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Posted 2 December 2016 - 6:45 pm
well done. But what does "◾Denying access to the New Player Lobby to players of Medieval Siege." exactly mean? Everyone who has ever played in MS in any ladder will be banned from NPL?
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 ['RB']nhoobish


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Posted 2 December 2016 - 6:51 pm
well done. But what does "◾Denying access to the New Player Lobby to players of Medieval Siege." exactly mean? Everyone who has ever played in MS in any ladder will be banned from NPL?

Means they stay in MS and stop breaking the unity of the lobbies.
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 4Ring


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Posted 2 December 2016 - 10:00 pm
how easy is it to create a new account and be back in NPL without any banning...
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 DreaIVIS


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Posted 2 December 2016 - 11:00 pm
Chris still active. Awesome!
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 TiTaN_CrAwLeR


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Posted 3 December 2016 - 12:39 am
he podido ver de rápido, jugadores con mas de 550 juegos y siguen estando ahi... otros que son de mas 1600 y siguen entrando... quizá después se les niegue el acceso... pero espermos y funcione el sistema
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 [sT]Troy


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Edited 3 December 2016 - 12:46 am by [sT]Troy
@TiTaN_CrAwLeR - Se limpian todos, no te preocupes
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 [DZ]Andre4s_


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Posted 3 December 2016 - 1:37 am
EN español Para Que Sea Facil De Leer

Nuestro Lobby de Nuevo Jugador necesita una revisión una vez más. Aunque queremos proporcionar un ambiente seguro para los nuevos jugadores a Voobly, con el mayor número de jugadores que se unen al NPL de Medieval Siege y Custom Scenario, estamos en gran riesgo de dar a los New Players una experiencia negativa.
Cuestiones:
Los nuevos jugadores o jugadores menos expertos permanecen en NPL incluso cuando están suficientemente capacitados y no migran a los vestíbulos completos (MS o CS)
Los jugadores salen de los lobbies para ir a NPL para juegos rápidos sin presión. No necesariamente para noob bashing, sólo NPL es el lugar para los juegos rápidos, y esto en sí mismo llevará inherentemente a bashing.
La escalera de principiantes tiene más posibilidades de abuso debido a la migración de los grupos de presión a la NPL.
Principiantes genuinos se enfrentan a los jugadores con cientos de juegos jugados y, a continuación, potencialmente posponer jugando.
La falta de jugadores sub-1550 gama en Medieval Siege, todos están ahora en NPL, asegura el círculo viscoso, por lo que los jugadores con experiencia ir a donde están los juegos.
1600 en MS sigue siendo extremadamente bajo clasificado para ELO, la mayoría de éstos son 17+ en realidad.
La falta de realmente menos de 1600 jugadores calificados crea lo anterior ya que nuestros jugadores mayoritarios no tienen "comida" para ganar más de 17+.
Los jugadores de NPL son jugadores de cero juegos en MS y son pateados por otros jugadores la mayor parte del tiempo.
Soluciones:
Añadir RM-Principiantes y calificar la escalera de principiantes en el asedio medieval, así que estos jugadores no son jugadores de juego cero en MS más.
RM Intermediate seguirá siendo la escalera de inicio por defecto para Medieval Siege.
Pro activamente el personal de NPL y mover a los jugadores necesarios en Medieval Siege.
Imponga y aumente pro activamente las prohibiciones de escalera de principiantes - Información.
Negando el acceso al Lobby del Nuevo Jugador a los jugadores de Medieval Siege.
Si conseguimos escalera intermedia o RM TG etc 1200-1550 juegos activos en el sitio medieval entonces los jugadores no necesitarán usar NPL
Los principiantes y el Inter Ladder en MS seguirán permitiendo a los amigos jugar entre sí.
NPL Escaleras: RM - Principiantes | CS - Escalera
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 [LyF]JimmY


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Posted 3 December 2016 - 2:18 am
More Spanish pls.
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 juancho128


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Posted 3 December 2016 - 4:24 am
Now I have no place to play. The system wont let me join NPL and i get kicked all the time from the rooms in MS. I just want to play BF 4v4 with players of my same level like i was doing in NPL. Now i cant join any room because i have zero wins. And there is not a single real player on the inter lobby. I repeat, i only want to play black forest 4v4 because it is fun to me. Now the only thing i can do is play 1v1 with 15++ 14++ and so on until i start winning a f*cking game, then i will be able to join a TG. I dont know the equivalent in MS to a 12++ in NPL.


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